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1987 Alfa Romeo Milano Verde

After featuring an Alfa Romeo Milano Verde earlier in the month, it got me thinking. Will we ever see a midsize sedan so blatantly focused on performance over practicality ever again? Even the current Alfa Romeo lineup pales in comparison to the excitement offered a few decades back. So, why wait? Go out and grab a Milano Verde like this well sorted example for sale in North Carolina with 75k miles on its original engine.

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Year: 1987
Model: Milano Verde
Engine: 3.0 liter V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 133,750 mi
Price: $7,500 Buy It Now

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I bought this car 5 years ago because it was identical to one I had 25 years ago, the best family sedan I've ever owned. The original owner installed many sensible performance mods: Pandora computer box, sport springs & tuned suspension that make it a joy to drive. Extras include Momo steering wheel, K&N filter, Zender wheels, tinted windows, carbon fiber shifter knob, custom exhaust with a mellow bellow to kill for, awesome stereo. There are 133k miles on the chassis, 75K on motor - the original owner installed a 3.5 L motor and ran it like that for ~60k miles, then re-installed the original motor. Nearly new Yokohama S 205/50-15 tires.

The car is kept in a heated garage and driven vigorously every couple of weeks, as every Alfa should be. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it across the country. I now regretfully need to pare down the Alfa stable to make room for a new acquisition. If you're looking for a great Verde to drive or just admire, you'll be hard put to find a better one for the money.

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These Alfa Romeo Milanos are cars certainly worth saving. Sure, like all Alfas they take a bit of fettling at times to get right, as our friends over at BlythBros. have chronicled. However, get them sorted, and what a rewarding drive they are. They offer a level of involvement and tactile pleasure that seems impossible to replicate these days.

-Paul

One-owner 1984 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce

It's always nice to dream. Of warm weather, that is. With most of the 50 US states experiencing some sort of cold weather or snow event, looking at a car like this Series 3 Alfa Romeo Spider has me itching for spring to get here. This is a one-owner Spider with just under 75,000 miles on the clock. It has spent its whole life in California and looks positively beachy in Light Aqua.

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Year: 1984
Model: Spider
Engine: 2.0 liter inline-4
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 74,000 mi
Price: Reserve auction

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1984 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce

The car presented here is a very special Vehicle, being a fully original, one-owner, extremely low-mileage (74,000!!) Southern California Alfa. As pampered as they come, it's truly a dream come true for the serious Alfa connoisseur!

This is a one owner 1984 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce, excellent condition with only 74,000 miles! The car comes equipped with manual transmission and original owners manual with most service records available. The color combination on this car is beautiful, a real head turner! Superbly finished in a unique Light Aqua Metallic over Navy Blue color interior. Car has been very well taken care of and is a great driver.

This 1984 Spider Veloce is a classic Italian drop-top that is in incredible condition throughout. This Spider features a number of desirable features like an exotic wood-grained steering wheel and exotic wood-grained shift knob, great dash with the separate speedometer and tachometer in hooded binnacles (before they went to the modern combination cluster), Navy Blue upholstery in great shape, black original Alfa-style floor mats and even a blue original convertible cover to match the interior when the black soft top is down! Under the hood is a smooth 2.0L I4 mated to a 5-speed manual transmission. The sporty Pininfarina-designed body is expertly finished and virtually free of flaws, set off by 14 Ferrari 308-style wheels that are wrapped with Michelin tires. The original owner's manual is included with this Alfa, as well as a binder containing most service records and additional service work completed. For entertainment, there is AM/FM stereo cassette deck. This Spider Veloce drives as good as it looks and you're sure to grab attention with it wherever you go! Vehicle is a Southern California car with no rust. The car has been recently serviced and it is very healthy mechanically. It runs and drives great!

Please feel free to contact me, I have a lot more pictures of the interior, exterior of the car + additional vehicle information.
858 733-1030 or Email

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The Series 3 wasn't the most desirable of the Spider lot, but such an original, low mileage example like this will bring strong money. This car has a reserve, and if I had to estimate, it's probably somewhere in the $12,000 to $15,000 territory. There are cheaper Spiders out there that could feasibly be used on a regular basis, but for those seeking the best, this particular car would be a good place to start.

-Paul

1979 Alfa Romeo Sport Sedan

Alfa Romeo, as a brand, has had a bit of a split personality through the years. You have your flamboyant sports cars like the 8C Competizione, Montreal and SZ that have appeared along the iconic Spider throughout the years. Then there are the more sedate coupes and sedans, like the 164, 105/115 Bertone coupes and this car, the Alfetta Sport Sedan. Innocuous looking in ivory with brown velour, it has a throaty twin cam engine and rear-mounted gearbox for maximum driving pleasure. This one for sale in New York has to be one of the best, examples that is currently for sale in the country, if not the world.

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Year: 1979
Model: Sport Sedan
Engine: 2.0 liter inline-4
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 31,994 mi
Price: $24,900 Buy It Now

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1979 Alfa Romeo Sport Sedan

Exotic Classics is proud to present this brilliantly original 1979 Alfa Romeo Sport Sedan. Featured with factory-original Yellow paint and brown velour interior, thi Alfa Sport Sedan may be the finest example you could find. The four-door Alfetta was sold in the USA from 1975 through 1977 under the name Alfetta Sedan. From 1978 to 1979 this mildly restyled version was sold under the name Sport Sedan. The Alfetta introduced a new drivetrain layout to the marque. Clutch and transmission were housed at the rear of the car, together with the differential for a more balanced weight distribution, as used on the Alfetta 158/159 Grand Prix cars. Alfa’s famed 2.0L DOHC engine delivers 130 HP and this well-balanced sedan is lively and delightful to drive.

Any questions/concerns please call Eric 516-695-0507 or email eric@exoticclassics.com

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The seller of this Alfa is know for some high end metal, such as the 1988 Porsche 911 Carrera Club Sport we featured recently over at our sister site, German Cars for Sale Blog. It’s unlikely you’ll find a cleaner version of this model any time soon, but does that make it worth almost $25,000? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If it were me, I would target this car’s forebear, a Giulietta sedan, as you can get a decent driver for similar money. Realistically, the best Sport Sedan of this era should bring somewhere in the $10,000 to $15,000 range.

-Paul

1974 Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV

Individual tastes aside, the 1970s was a great time for exploration in vehicle color. When you go to purchase a new car these days, you'd be lucky if you get a choice outside of your basic black, silver, gray and white. This Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV for sale in California, then, is a breath of fresh air in Giallo Orca, accentuating the handsome Bertone-penned lines nicely. This particular car underwent a restoration five years ago and is ready to show and enjoy.

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Year: 1974
Model: 2000 GTV
Engine: 2.0 liter inline-4
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 55,000 mi
Price: No reserve auction

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1974 Alfa GTV 2000 - GT Veloce - Restored & Beautiful. Here it is - one of Alfa Romeo's most beautiful cars - now appreciating rapidly and becoming collectors pieces.

The car has 55,000 miles and was professionally restored ~5 years ago. Rare Giallo Ocra (italian for "yellow-orange") over black leather interior. The paint is absolutely gorgeous and the interior is in amazing condition as well. Zero rust (see pics). Runs great with lots of power and recently had the SPICA professionally tuned. Original California Blue Plate. Awesome Campagnolo Chromodora wheels showing a nice patina. Beautiful original wooden steering wheel stamped "Alfa-Romeo."

This is an amazing drivers car, and these GTV's are known for their extraordinary handling and canyon carving. This is an original California car and all the hard stuff has already been done but here are some small things the car could use:

It has an oil leak (all 1970's Italian cars do)

The second gear grinds if you shift it at a high RPM (again a very, very common Alfa problem) - I drive with it like this and simply double-clutch going into second gear and it goes very smoothly. If this bothers you, for an extra $200 (!), I have a fresh transmission you can have with the car to fix this.

The tach bounces (see video) - I have an extra complete 1974 GTV gauge cluster that goes with the car to take care of this!

Turn signals work intermittently - I have 2GB of 1974 Alfa GTV wiring diagrams and service manuals you can have

This car was stolen in the 1980's and issued a salvage title- a time when their value was low enough that it was easier for insurance companies to simply consider them a loss than to source the expensive Italian parts. The photos speak for themselves and there are no visible signs of damage; additionally, I have gone over the entire car with a digital paint thickness gauge.

Spare parts that come with the car:
Alfa GTV transmission ($200 extra)
Original spare (plus the full size in the trunk)
Complete spare gauge cluster from a 1974 GTV
A box of extra interior parts/brackets.
4 original wheel center caps (chrome sombreros as they're called)
Alfa GTV service manuals and diagrams
any other parts I can find!

Legal stuff-
Deposit of $2000 due within 24hrs of auctions end. Full payment due within 7 days. Buyer to arrange pickup/shipping within 2 weeks of auction end (I can help coordinate). The car is 40 years old and is sold as-is with no warranty, express, written, or implied. Through photos and words, I have done my best to disclose all faults to the Buyer and by bidding, Buyer acknowledges it is his responsibility to have inspected the car and satisfied himself fully as to its condition. That being said it's an awesome car and a very righteous example of the legendary Alfa GTV!

Just imagine having this Italian beauty tucked in your garage

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On offer at no reserve, I would suspect this GTV will fetch somewhere between $25,000 and $30,000, given the current market. There are a few issues with this car, but none that would seriously deter an enthusiast from staying away. These are very rewarding cars to own and drive and are a great entry point into the world of (somewhat) affordable Italian classics.

-Paul

1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6

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The Alfa Romeo GTV6 has been identified as one of the definitive sports coupes of the 1980s by critics as of late. Sure, it wasn’t the fastest of its breed, but who can argue with the sonorous V6, balance offered by a rear-mounted gearbox and looks that are decidedly Italian? This GTV6 for sale in Pennsylvania has a new clutch, brakes and paint job and has covered well under 100,000 miles.

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Year: 1986
Model: GTV6
Engine: 2.5 liter V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 71,605 mi
Price: $15,000 Buy It Now

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Condition: Very good condition, all original, garage kept (climate controlled garage), new clutch, new calibers, new brakes very clean, very little wear on leather seats, and a new paint job.

History: Service record upon request.

Payment: Wire transfer, cash in person, and/or certified bank check. $16,000 or Best Offer.

Shipping: Will not ship! Pick up in person. No Paypal will be accepted!

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When these cars were new, much like it’s sedan counterpart, the Milano, I didn’t give them much thought. Perhaps it was because I was younger or that I took for granted at the time that Alfa Romeo would be around forever in this market. In any case, if BMW E30 prices are spooking you lately, the GTV6 may just do the trick. The price of this car is a bit reaching. I’d suspect somewhere in the $10,000 to $13,000 range at best would be all of the money.

-Paul

1995 Alfa Romeo 164LS

I always felt kind a bit sorry for the Alfa Romeo 164. True, it missed the rear-drive DNA from Alfa sedans of yore, but this would be the last Alfa sold in the US until the exotic 8C Competizione arrived in 2008. With its lusty V6 engine and crisp Pininfarina lines, this was a luxury sedan offering panache few other manufacturers could match at the time. Nowadays these four doors are reasonably affordable and offer an interesting choice to those seeking a mid 1990s luxury sedan on the cheap. This final year 164LS for sale in Connecticut has had but one owner and has covered a mere 25,000 miles. And yes, it has the all-important third pedal.

Year: 1995
Model: 164LS
Engine: 3.0 liter V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 25,000 mi
Price: $13,500 Buy It Now

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1995 Alfa Romeo 164 LS, black with black leather interior. 5 speed transmission. Only 25,000 one owner miles. Very clean and very nice. Fresh timing belt, water pump and fluid change. Car runs and drives as a 25,000 mile car should. Clean car fax. Rear bumper has scratch (see photo). Clear coat on wheels is coming off, other wise car shows very nicely.

Car is located in northwestern Connecticut about 75 miles north of New York City. If you have questions you can reach me thru ebay or call 860-350-1140. I have a page with many detailed photos of the car, please go to forzamotorsports with the usual com ending. Buyer pays shipping. International buyers welcome, I can help arrange shipping to any point in the world, but you must pay for it. Thank you for looking at my listing.

I’m not sure how a car like this can have such low mileage. While they were derided for their front drive architecture when introduced, they have aged to become a solid choice for those seeking a bit of driver involvement. Recently, a 164 passed me on the road and I almost mistook it for much more exotic Italian machinery due solely to its exhaust note. The fresh service, including timing belt, is certainly a plus whereas the minor cosmetic issues would be easy to resolve. The asking price of $13,500 is strong money for these, no matter how clean they are. Another, earlier low mileage 164 5-speed has been for sale for quite some time at almost $15,000. Once these 164s pass the $12,000 mark, it gets harder to find those willing to part with that kind of cash. Realistically, this car should be priced somewhere between $9,000 and $11,000. At that price point, it certainly wouldn’t last long.

-Paul

1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6 – REVISIT

The one-owner 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6 is back up for sale with a Buy It Now price lowered by $500. For anyone looking for an unmolested GTV6, your search has ended.

1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6 on eBay - REVISIT

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The below post originally appeared on our site August 26, 2013:

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Alfa Romeo began to go through some changes in the late 1980s. While the Spider continued on through a fourth generation in the 1990s, the coupes and sedans would undergo a transformation to front-wheels drive. Ultimately, an Alfa Romeo coupe would not return to the US market before the marques demise in this country in 1995, leaving this final year GTV6 for sale in Georgia as a representative of the last of the breed. These coupes have been recognized for their poise, balance and overall driving enjoyment which they provide and yet they still remain rather affordable.

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Year: 1986
Model: GTV6
Engine: 2.5 liter V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 123,633 mi
Price: $11,000 Buy It Now

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Offering at NO RESERVE... a very nice one owner 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV-6 (The last year of it’s production, with improved shifting and A/C). Clean Georgia title in hand. Very rare Champagne (only offered in 86) (gold) with black pinstriped velour interior with 123,633 miles. Tom purchased this car new from my father at Paul Spruell Alfa, Inc. in Chamblee GA. This GTV-6 has been very well cared for and it shows.

It is a very original and unmolested example, cared for by an AROC member. It is equipped with the sunroof and it still has the original (working) radio. The only aftermarket modifications that I saw, were the Hella H4 low beam headlights, some MB Quart speakers and two center mufflers. No accidents... No rust. I started this car up on the first turn of the key and it drives superbly.

I intentionally did some 3rd to 2nd downshifts while the car was still cold (as cold as it gets in South GA in August) to test the 2nd gear syncro... and it is good. The engine and drive-line are smooth. When you remove the oil cap from the 2.5 liter 154 HP V-6, it looks like new inside (very clean). It is equipped with a factory catalytic converter and a has a documented history of passing Georgia state emissions test with flying colors.

The stock suspension is tight without any noise. The Michelin tires are perfect, with only 3,000 miles and the original wheels are in excellent cosmetic condition. The cooling system functions properly with both fans cycling correctly. The body is as good as it gets, with only a few trivial nicks that have been touched up. Other than a few tiny drips on the garage floor... the car has no leaks to be concerned about.

Electrical items work (windows, mirrors, lights, wipers, blower fan, gauges). The dash clock does not work. It comes with the original books, manuals, receipts (back to the delivery paperwork), spare keys, emergency window crank and a factory service manual. It has the emergency jack, spark plug swivel socket tool and pouch. Also, it has the brown plastic tool pouch with the lug wrench and pliers. So the tools are not quite complete.

Recent work:

Just done – Brake master cylinder, left rear brake caliper and rear brake pads.

May 2004 – Timing belt, tensioner & water pump. New ignition switch.

November 2004 – new clutch assembly, drive-shaft bearing and rear flex joint

Here are the important details.

The steering wheel is slightly off center to the right, however the alignment seems okay (drives straight).

A/C does not work. The last time it was charged (years ago) it did work. So... it has a leak.

Rear view mirror needs to be glued back to windshield.

Although the car has been garaged kept, the dash does have a crack near the top vent and also I did notice that the RPM needle is slightly bent.

The left front turn indicator lens has a couple of cracks, that have been taped up to keep moisture out.

The battery has also been replaced recently and the hold down bracket looks like it needs to be modified to secure the battery.

Very typical of the GTV-6.... someone tried to close the hood without pulling the prop from the locked position and bent the hood prop. So it needs to be straightened in order to work.

The gas cap key will turn the lock cylinder, but the cap will not lock.

On this model, the antenna is built into the windshield. I could see a couple of spots where it has been compromised, so don’t expect the best reception, without adding an external antenna.

It has a small tear on the drivers side seat side bolster and the usual interior felt coming loose from the door gasket (but gaskets are not torn).

The white plastic bezel around the sunroof handle needs to be dyed and the headliner is in better than average cosmetic condition.

The rear trunk/hatch logo emblem is showing its age.

The only spot of rust I found was a nickel size hole in the spare wheel floor pan. Also, the spot welds on the tow hook on the bottom of the spare wheel pan have come loose, from where it was towed at some point. But it did not bend or tear the sheet metal. I know these cars and where to look for rust. No rust under the cowl area in the engine bay, None at the front shock towers. Although, I did not remove the plastic rocker trim behind the front wheels, I could see no indication of rust.

No disappointments here. Drive this car anywhere. Once funds have cleared, you can take it. No games. Also, temporary garage storage is okay, as long as the car is paid for. I have many detailed pictures upon request. Car is located in Moultrie GA (200 miles (3 hours) south of Atlanta GA). Call Todd Spruell 678 665-1997

ALSO OFFERING A NICE 91 164 L AUTOMATIC FROM SAME OWNER.

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Beige isn’t my favorite color choice for an Italian sports coupe, but beggars can’t be choosers when it comes to a clean GTV6. This car has a lot going for it, not the least of which is the condition, AROC member ownership and service history. The asking price is right around the range of what mint GTV6s are pulling, which is between $8,000 to $12,000. I’d expect someone to snap this one up in short order. Whoever buys it will have a blast on the back roads, tackling the twisty bits.

-Paul

1988 Alfa Romeo Spider Graduate

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Summer may be coming to a close, but it's never a bad time to lust after a red Italian roadster. This 1988 Alfa Romeo Spider Graduate for sale in Chicago has just under 50,000 miles and looks to be a minter. For anyone in the Midwest, it's the perfect time to snap something like this up and enjoy some of that fall weather before winter sets in.

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Year: 1988
Model: Spider Graduate
Engine: 2.0 liter inline-4
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 49,460 mi
Price: Reserve auction

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This beautiful Alfa Romeo Graduate has only 49400 miles on it. We believe to have only 3 previous owners. This is an original rust free Alfa Romeo that has had one factory quality repaint over 10 years ago. The black canvass top fits tight with no leaks or gaps in the top. The interior in original and is in excellent condition. The Alfa Graduate came new with plastic hub caps. We just installed 4 Alfa Romeo Veloce Alloy 14" rims to give this great Alfa an even better apperance. The engine runs smoothly,the clutch and gear box all work like they should. The air conditioning still is working. Don't miss this Alfa, it's a great car.

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The Series 4 Spider and early Duettos are my favorite Spiders, but this Series 3 certainly catches my eye. Anywhere in the $10,000 to $14,000 range should be about the order of the day for a Spider in this condition with this kind of mileage.

-Paul

1987 Alfa Romeo Milano Gold

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Alfa Romeos from the 1980s are one of the cheapest ways into Italian car ownership these days. Just because they are cheap doesn’t mean they are lacking on thrills, of course. Made even more famous - or infamous depending on how you look at it - the Alfa Romeo 75, known here as the Milano, offered wedge styling, a lusty V6 and rear mounted gearbox for excellent handling dynamics. Few of these are hanging around in good condition these days, but eventually you’ll stumble across a good one like this 1987 Milano Gold for sale in California.

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Year: 1987
Model: Milano Gold
Engine: 2.5 liter V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 116,961 mi
Price: Reserve auction

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Excellent running and looking 1987 Milano Gold. The detachable face CD and radio work. The seats are great. The things that are wrong with are shown in the pictures, mainly small aesthetics like the rubber around the doors, paint on edges slightly worn, the inside door handles are both broken at the top on both the driver and side and passenger side. The lights come on when you open the door but I believe the other interior lights work but I think it’s the bulbs.

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We’ve seen a few good Milanos here at CICFS that have reached towards the $10,000 mark. There’s a few non-stock items on this, mileage is on the low side for the year but overall, it’s a pretty straight example of Alfa’s last rear-drive sedan sold in the US market. The only thing I might address is the rear suspension height. US bound Milanos had their suspension raised to meet federal regulations. Euro market 75s had a lower rear ride height, specs which some Milano owners have switched to. I’d suspect a reasonable ask for a car of this caliber would be around the $4,000 to $6,000 mark.

-Paul

2008 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione

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The Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione is arguably one of the most beautiful cars to emerge in the last ten years. But you wouldn’t expect anything less from the Italians, right? While the 8C is a looker, some automotive journalists, notably Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear, took issue with the vehicle. Even though he praised the vehicle for its looks, the handling and gearbox were found to be a bit inadequate and the lap time around the Top Gear track was underwhelming. But, to buy this car solely for its performance misses the point. This is an emotional vehicle and perhaps the closest a car has gotten to being a work of art in the modern age.

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Year: 2008
Model: 8C Competizione
Engine: 4.7 liter V8
Transmission: 6-speed automated manual
Mileage: 2,537 mi
Price: $197,900 Buy It Now

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We sell several brands of Exotic Automobiles from Lamborghini to Maserati, Rolls Royce, Fisker, Bentley and Spyker but the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione is by far one of my favorite cars. From the minute see the absolutely exquisite body design, Competizione Mica-Finished multi layer Red Paint and the quality and attention to detail that went into the way the 8C looks on the outside you get excited to see what they did on the inside! One look confirms it, It is just as beautiful on the inside!

The leather was done in Titanium with the Twisted Full Grain Option and the seats have the Alfa Romeo Insignia embroidered in the inboard shoulder area. The Carbon Steering kit, Custom Stitching, Leather Ceiling and Console, Aluminum Pedals and the "500 Limited Edition" badge on the center console completes one of the classiest interiors I have ever seen. This is one of only 500 8C Competizione's built. It is in pristine condition and ready to open a new chapter. Please call me any time at all to request more photos or if you have questions. I can be reached at 239-560-6580 and my name is Mark. I have included a list of options below for you to look at. We are an Alfa Romeo dealer and this car has been given a clean bill of health by our service department. Buy or make your offer with confidence. Don't wait as the Alfa is for sale locally as well and many of our cars get purchased long before our listings end.

Options

- Competizione Red Multi Layer Mica Finished Paint.............$6,180.00
- Twisted Full Grain Leather trim.............3,530.00
- Custom Stitching.............440.00
- Special Paint on Alloy Wheels.............1,500.00
- Carbon Steering Kit.............4.415.00
- Ceiling and Center Console Leather.............1,590.00
- Bose Sound System.............5,300.00
- iPod Connector.............440.00
- Sat Nav.............2,295.00

MSRP of the 8C was over $302,000.00!

***********We also will include enclosed shipping to your door at the buy it now price*****************

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Prices haven’t moved much on the 8C, but this is the first I’ve seen priced below the $200,000 mark. With only 2,500 miles on the clock, that’s not terrible for an Italian exotic that offers so much style and a great soundtrack to boot. Sure, some people might say “you could have had a Ferrari.” But for those familiar with automotive history, they’ll understand just how important the 8C Competizione is in the grand scheme of things.

-Paul